Reclaiming Your Power and Redefining Yourself with Carrie Orgee

1:06 SPEAKER_01: So, welcome to the Red Room, everybody. Today I am have had got the pleasure of meeting the beautiful Carrie, who I met probably a couple of years ago on a mastermind programme. So, welcome to the room, Carrie. Oh, thank you for having me. And obviously, we align on so many things. So, I was really excited to get you on at the Red Room podcast because your story has gone full circle. And what I admire about you is how you have transformed your experience, especially in the beauty industry, on how you're helping women, um, the resilience that you've gone through, how you've completely empowered yourself and where your drive comes from.

1:53 SPEAKER_01: So it aligns beautifully with today's episode. So, what brings you to the red room today, Carrie?

2:00 SPEAKER_00: I think the the message I'd like to get out today is that if just one woman is watching this who is feeling a lost and a bit unaligned, and like they're not sure the direction they're going, I would hope from today that they get a permission slip and that they feel safe to either make a change, um, make a big decision, or really just have uh a true honest conversation with herself about what she actually wants in life. So that would be if I if I could hear from just one person, then it's worth however long we spend on the call today.

2:49 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you know what as well, when I first met you, it was in a meditation session on a mastermind in oh, where was I? Yeah, Mar Bayer, and it was like so your story really inspired me because you had a salon. Did yeah, so we had that relatability straight away, and then you did the mess the meditation, and you said a colour's gonna come up and find out what it means, and blah blah blah. And my colour was red, yeah, but I actually read a book on the plane about the courage to be disliked. Yeah.

3:25 SPEAKER_01: Um, so after meeting you, I was like, wow, I started listening to my body a little bit more, yeah, um, which is why I'm inspired about what you're doing and what you've done with your career now helping women.

3:41 SPEAKER_00: I think it's really easy to get lost in the day-to-day. Um, it's really easy to stop listening to your intuition, it's really easy to feel um the fear of being authentic and true and using your voice in a place of authority, and also as a your voice to be true to what you want. And I feel like as entrepreneurs, we are on this cycle of push, right? Because that's how we're built. We're not built for the mundane, we're not built for the nine to five, we're built for something different, and that's fine, that's okay.

4:22 SPEAKER_00: But I think it's very easy on that journey to lose perspective about why you've actually started the thing you've started and actually where you want it to go. And I do a lot of work on goal setting, so but goal setting throughout a whole range of different uh pillars, so to speak, in in business. Because if your your goals are your compass, right, it's not the it's not the journey, your goals are the compass, and it's your daily habits that will take you towards that goal. And I think when we stop listening to our intuition and stop being honest with our goals, those daily habits can be taking you like all over the place, and you you need to use the goals of what you want to achieve as your compass, so it's your guide, it's your north star.

5:15 SPEAKER_00: And I think that's when when women start to listen into those internal voice, the the internal words, the feelings, you know, where it is they want to go, it's like reclaiming your power, right? It's reclaiming who you are, and and actually what your soul's purpose is, you know. I'm really, really spiritual, and we have a soul's purpose. We're here, we're here for a reason. You know, we're here to achieve something. And that and your your thing that you might achieve in life might be just being a mother, and that bit might be your goal, your soul's purpose, right?

5:49 SPEAKER_00: But that's that's totally that's totally cool if you listen to that and that's what you want. It might be that you're meant to be on a big stage somewhere and using your voice to inspire others. That might be your soul's purpose, but you have to get really clear, really honest, um, and okay with what that that is. Does that make sense?

6:14 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's really inspiring that you've just said that because I started in beauty and I never thought in a million years I would then become a franchise or but have I enjoyed the journey? Have I? Shite the resilience that you have to create along that journey. You do get to a point where you think, is this the journey that I want to continue on?

6:44 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think you have to be okay with bit with this. Is another thing, like I speak I've spoken to so many salon owners, and it's like it's okay if you've built something and then you want to build something else.

6:59 SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.

7:00 SPEAKER_00: Because your time's done. Yeah, you know, like it that's that's okay, you get to do that. There's no there's no one that you know, even if people tell you, oh, you know, people have got advice for you all over the shop, haven't they? But if you're done and or you've achieved what you want to achieve, then you can change. We all have the bit you have that ability to do that, but it takes that takes growth, that takes strength, it takes courage, it takes letting go of your ego. It also takes healing the parts in you that aren't healed because having a business and being a business owner at every step throughout the process will uncover unhealed versions of you.

7:44 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I absolutely love that because one of the things I've just un well overcome is the disease to please. You know, and when you look back, you think, well, why am I pleasing people? Why am I so bothered about somebody else's opinion?

8:01 SPEAKER_00: Yeah.

8:02 SPEAKER_01: And then when you look deep and you identify where that actually has come from. And who? Yeah, exactly. And then you think, why am I carrying that around? And why is that navigating where I actually don't want to go with my career? 100%.

8:17 SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's insane when you let those things go, and the people that you're avoiding, you know, it's like when people, you know, big thing is social media, right? Like showing up on social media and being scared to be seen, and the safety on being seen. And once you get rid of that, you can show up as your authentic self, but getting to the point that you are not fearful of who sees it takes all the work.

8:48 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and funny enough, you should say that. I've just done a keynote workshop in this incredible event around all these incredible women. And my first thought was, I'm not good enough to be in this room. And I spent three months planning this, and I absolutely nailed the pitch, but I had to share real stories on the grit and the unglamorous part of getting to that final stage of what people see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And dropping the word vagina in um a corporate room, I was absolutely popping myself.

9:26 SPEAKER_00: But it went down, it went down really well. But but the the strength that that will have taken, yeah, you know, like to the the little girl inside you that felt not enough or had been told she'd never achieve anything. We you know, let's be honest, I would say a high proportion. I mean, I know we're but I'm a or DHD.

9:48 SPEAKER_02: Yeah.

9:49 SPEAKER_00: And I think you're you're ADHD, aren't you? Yeah. I probably think more on the or DHD actually, yeah, 100%. The negative things we've been told our whole life, you know, the things that now make us brilliant and give us our superpower, that resilience, that um pattern recognition, um, not not being a um, you know, you're a risk taker, so you have you don't, you know, you don't have this, I can start a business tomorrow and not have and not worry about what's going to happen because I'll figure it out, you know?

10:18 SPEAKER_00: I'll figure it out along the way. But that that all the stuff that was told to us as young women, but we but the things that that were the negative, that all the teachers, your mums, your dads, all that negative stuff that we were told, that's the stuff that makes you brilliant. So, in doing all of that learning takes uh balls of steel, you know, like me after my breakdown, so I had a salon for 10 years, uh, had a quite a big team. Um, I'd started it from the ground up. Um, and then when I had my breakdown in the end, which I now know was I went into menopause early at 38, I had postnatal depression, um, which is odd that you're going into menopause at the same time you're just having a baby.

11:10 SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Um no one no one warns you that can happen.

11:14 SPEAKER_01: I can believe it.

11:15 SPEAKER_00: So postnatal depression, early menopause, leading a team, building a business, COVID. Yeah, like all of these things, and not knowing I was neurodiverse. So all of a sudden, when I went into menopause, my salon got loud quick. Yeah. The hairdryers, um, just the chatter, I couldn't deal with it. I couldn't deal with it. It took it took all of my energy to walk in the room, and then of course, everyone's got a fucking problem. Yeah. Everyone's got a problem. Absolutely. Swear. And so you get to the point where you're totally lost on the pile and you're just functioning.

12:38 SPEAKER_00: It's like you, you know, like you have functioning alcoholics, right? Yeah. I had a functional breakdown.

12:44 SPEAKER_02: Yeah.

12:45 SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, we are women and we can do everything, so I can have a breakdown and still function. Absolutely.

12:50 SPEAKER_01: I know, and do you know what? I have goosebumps listening to your story because in COVID I had three locations and 20 people on the payroll. And if I hadn't had a psychotherapist that I worked with, I dread to think where my future might have been. Because, like you said, you're the founder, you're the last person on the list to get served to because all these other people come in front of you, which is a huge quality in leadership. It's like it's one of the best qualities a leader can have, but who looks after the leader?

13:26 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but if you are a people pleaser, then actually I didn't show up as the best leader I could be because I was too busy pleasing everyone. Yeah, absolutely. And it's like a mum that gives their kids everything, you're not doing them any favours, yeah. Mothering. Yeah, like a helicopter mum, right? I was helicopter parenting my team.

13:51 SPEAKER_01: Oh honestly, Gary. It's what was your turning point? Because obviously, looking at the resilience of that, there's only so much resilience you can build.

14:02 SPEAKER_00: What was your turning point? Well, my I I had a mental breakdown in 2023.

14:08 SPEAKER_02: Yeah.

14:09 SPEAKER_00: So even though I didn't feel very resilient at that time, um, and I think one of the reasons I'm I I talk so passionately about my mental health, about suicide, about all the stuff that people don't want to talk to is because, you know, you it takes a lot of resilience to accept that there's a problem with you, accept that you need help, accept that you've taken wrong steps, you know, it takes a hell of a lot of self-awareness to be okay with starting something new and having confidence in yourself after you've just closed something you've worked at, you know, and it was a spectacular breakdown.

14:51 SPEAKER_00: I mean, I am chef's kiss at breakdowns, you know?

14:57 SPEAKER_01: Like if you want if you want the waitros way to do it, but look how many people can learn from your story, though. I and I speak to so many women in salon still, and they're at this breakdown period of life because of menopause and the pressure that women have to take on board.

15:19 SPEAKER_00: I think I think as well, it's being okay with when you go through these midlife changes, yeah, everything changes. It's like becoming a mother for the first time for those who have got kids, right? You no one can no one can prepare you for it, you don't know how it's gonna be. Um, but it's having the tools to to know that when you're going through this, that there are options, there is light at the end of the tunnel, yeah, and you can redefine yourself at any point. Yeah. And actually, when you do get to redefine yourself, like those darkest moments can be the most brilliant things that ever happened to you.

15:58 unknown: Yeah.

15:59 SPEAKER_00: Because it sets you on a new projectory, you know, it sets you on it, you know, like I had to look at myself so deeply that I was like, I don't want to say I don't want to do this. Yeah. You know, I don't want to do this forever. I wanted to do it then, I don't want to do it now. Yeah and I've done well enough that I can just now not do that, and I don't have to keep pretending that that's what I want to do for persecu like for you know for public perception, persecution, whatever it is, because God forbid a woman changes their mind.

16:34 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely. You know, so So how did you empower yourself to think, right, I've got this successful salon, I'm running all this team, everyone relies on me. What empowered you to think, right, I'm completely gonna look around a different direction and and and get out of that dark tunnel to see the light at the end?

16:58 SPEAKER_00: I think it was that I I had to fall out of love with the thing I was doing. So I closed my salon, set up a summer house in the garden. I just I was just doing beauty from there because you gotta keep the wall from the door, right? Yeah so I just did that for a bit, and then I was like, I don't, I don't love this anymore. And then I became so obsessed with um my own journey to um you know to better health and better, you know, looking after myself better. Yeah, and then I became so obsessed with women's mental health, high-achieving, ambitious women.

17:38 SPEAKER_00: Um I became so obsessed with that, I started then working with women, helping with you know, business strategy as much as their well-being, because you know, a lot of the thing is like looking at the goals. Yeah, I've just come off a call with my community this morning. So looking at, you know, the goals that you want, and are you are your daily habits taking you closer towards that? And actually, is the thing that you're doing the thing that you should be doing, or are you doing it to please somebody else?

18:09 SPEAKER_00: Like, what's your business model look like? What do you want it to look like? What do you hate? If you could if you could wave a magic wand and you could get rid of something tomorrow, what would it be? Yeah, you know, and if the first thing that just came into your mind was something big, you have to listen to that, yeah. So a lot of the women, it might be, you know, like I had someone recently and she was like, I hate my team. At least you were honest, you know? I hate my team, I don't even want to be a leader anymore.

18:40 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm like, okay, so what does that look like then? Well, I want I think I might want to do something else. Okay, so let's look into that. Yeah, because you can't there's only so long you can sustain not wanting to do the thing you want to do.

18:53 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely. And and even now, as much as I've got the loyalty to some clients that have supported me for 20 years, my passion is not in beauty anymore. It really isn't, and I say this to the girls now that own franchise franchise companies, you know, they're at the early stages of their career and they've got so much passion and drive, and I'm like, oh my god, no, I'm at the end of mine now.

19:20 SPEAKER_00: It's energy as well. It's like when when the energy's gone, yeah, it's like how can I best serve the people around me? Yeah, and if that's not doing beauty, then don't do beauty, yeah, absolutely.

19:34 SPEAKER_01: And do you know what as well? This is the part that I love about being Audi HD. Get me in front of a computer and I know what I'm doing, and I'm quite happy being on my own.

19:45 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, same, yeah. But that's probably as well, because you've had so many years being around people, yeah, and as someone who's Audi HD, that will have come at a price.

19:54 SPEAKER_02: Yes.

19:55 SPEAKER_00: And so once you start the unmasking process, you can't remask. So once you get to the point where you physically it's so draining turning up for clients in the way you have to, you can't unsee that. And if you think about your energy as a pot, you know, and you'll keep taking out to give to other people, the things that give you life and make you happy, you won't have the energy for, and so you you have to address that. Like it's the elephant in the room you have to address.

20:27 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I said to my husband after I've just come back from this networking event, I felt bad for him because he gets the worst parts of me at home, yeah, because he gets the dregs of the energy, yeah. And how's that? Isn't it? And I said to him, I said, I'm so sorry. He said, Don't worry, love, I understand. But then I but then I look at his life and I'm like, I'm not the wife he married 10 years ago. I was full of energy, excitement, and like we need to get that passion back.

20:59 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you'll only be able to do that, you can't keep Robin from different places, yeah. Absolutely. You have to you you have to be really honest with where you want things to go. And I had the same, like I literally had nothing left for my family, nothing, you know, and when I especially when I was in my breakdown, and even quite honestly, when I started as uh doing well-being, because I was doing things that were more energy draining, I was working evenings still, yeah. I was you know, I I was turning up and doing weekend retreats, and honestly, it took all my energy.

21:36 SPEAKER_00: So I got to the point where as a as a well-being coach, and I was like, fucking knackered. Yeah, like I'm like I'm the most knackered and I'm now doing well-being.

21:47 SPEAKER_01: Like this, you know, it would be an honesty.

21:51 SPEAKER_00: I think that's brilliant, but then you have to be honest with like, okay, is this the version of what I want? No, it's not, yeah, and I think as well, because being Audi HD, especially the ADHD element, it's very easy for people to be like, oh, you're dead flaky, you can't make a decision. And it's like, no, I'm just trying different things because if someone hadn't tried different things, we wouldn't invented the wheel.

22:17 SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.

22:19 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, you're telling me it wasn't someone who was neurodiverse that invented the wheel, invented the light bulb, invented penicillin, like all of these people have to be so obsessed with change and progress. And I'm obsessed with my change and progress. I'm obsessed with my clients' change and progress. Yeah, I'm obsessed with creating something that's a legacy for my kids. So if the thing that I'm doing right now isn't gonna be part of the legacy, am I gonna want to work weekends and evenings for the rest of my life?

22:51 SPEAKER_00: No, I'm about five years over that. Yeah, I'm not doing it then.

22:56 SPEAKER_01: So, where do you get your drive from then, Carrie? Which is a big question a lot of people ask me in this room. Because you can drive, you can you can go down so many different routes and especially being an ADH doer, which I call them now, because we do everything. Where do you find your drive and what road you're gonna go down?

23:20 SPEAKER_00: Because I am obsessed with business, so I've realized as an autistic woman that my my special interest is business. Yeah, so I will be obsessed with a thing in business that I'm doing.

23:32 SPEAKER_02: Yeah.

23:32 SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. So you like you said, you're that self aware, you know exactly how to navigate yourself to get to the position that you want to be. So I'm obsessed with business, I'm obsessed with. Deep conversations, I'm obsessed with helping people, right? So that that in how is where the well-being and strategy helping women in business because I'm obsessed with making sure that they can do the thing that they want to do, and I get dopamine from helping them do that. Yeah, it's it's the win-win situation, isn't it?

24:07 SPEAKER_00: Yeah. So I think the drive can comes from my obsession with growth.

24:16 SPEAKER_02: Yeah.

24:17 SPEAKER_00: Because there's growth everywhere, isn't there? 100%, yeah. The the universe is limitless. Like, and this is the thing as well that pisses me off because I feel like as women, when it, you know, we're not allowed to dream, like you're not allowed to be, you're not allowed to change because you know you should do the same thing for the rest of your life, right? You know, like no, give it a decade. Yeah, absolutely. Do you know what I mean? Like, every 10 years you change, you know, anyway, like you're in a different chapter.

24:49 SPEAKER_00: So why can't your role be within that? But then every single thing you've done from the moment you left school, like I had an Avon business at 12, right? Yeah, you know, I sold Virgin VE, I learned sales, like what like doing Virgin and um and Avon around the roughest council estates, right?

25:11 SPEAKER_01: Well, that's great and resilient straight away, isn't it? Do you know what I mean?

25:15 SPEAKER_00: I I had no fear, I'd be knocking on the door of whoever, like selling my Avon bubble bath. Um but you know, like that is that I've done different versions of that that have got me to this point. So actually, when it comes to creating businesses, I know what to do. Same as you will as well. Like you could you could carbon copy what you're doing in probably most industries. Like you're like I work with my husband in the swimming pool, we've got a swimming pool and landscaping company, right? So I know how to build and scale that business, which is what we're doing now.

25:53 SPEAKER_00: So we're moving from six multi-six to hopefully seven next year. That's the goal. Wow, that's brilliant, you know, and like it was the same with for you within your property businesses, right? It's it's prints and repeats. So, and that's the brilliant thing I think about women and um ADH doers is that all of this stuff you collect because you're obsessed with the thing, yeah, is just gearing you up for something else.

26:23 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you know what? I love that diverse element because I've just sat an awards evening with two construction companies and a beauty therapist on the table, but the conversation was all the same, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you know, it was all about how are you gonna scale, what started you here, you know, what's your USP and everything, and it it was never about our own industries, it was all business.

26:49 SPEAKER_00: But I think it is as well about with your looking after your mental health, if your mental health is stronger because you keep allowing yourself to pivot and grow, right? For my mental health, it's not good for me to do the same thing day in, day out because the ADHD element of my ADHD needs the structure, it needs flexibility. I'm a freedom seeker, right? You know, like I'm a life path five, it's a freedom seeker, so I need freedom. So the thing I'm constantly searching for isn't a monetary value, it's freedom.

27:28 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you only get freedom with monetary value, though, right? Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. They both come hand in hand, don't they? They come in hand in hand, and I think it's being honest with that. Like, I want to be a businesswoman, but I also want to be able to pick my kids up, but I also want to be able to go and buy the nicest meat I can get, or the smelliest candles, or whatever it looks, whatever abundance looks like for you, because it's different for everybody, right? You love your motorbikes.

27:54 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely. That's freedom for me. That's freedom, right? But you can only get that through abundance, yeah. And and actually for me, like with the salon, when I got to the point where my mental capacity couldn't grow, I declined very quickly.

28:11 SPEAKER_02: Yeah.

28:13 SPEAKER_00: So I know I can't let that happen again.

28:16 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you know what, Carrie? It's so interesting listening to you because I've well I've been doing this for what, 22 years and at the salons for, and it's brought me incredible monetary value, but it's been the very, very thing that's robbed me from everything about my freedom. And I've got to the stage now where if something like you say doesn't give me freedom, I won't allow you that anymore, regardless of the cost someone throws at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

28:49 SPEAKER_00: And then you're not gonna show up in your best way.

28:52 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.

28:53 SPEAKER_00: And so every time you're robbing yourself of energy somewhere, whatever that looks like, you know, it's that it's that saying of you know, whenever you're saying yes to something, you're saying no to something else.

29:06 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.

29:08 SPEAKER_00: So now I'm like, is this aligned to where I want to be?

29:13 SPEAKER_01: Yeah.

29:14 SPEAKER_00: And if it's a no, then it's not happening.

29:17 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Well what do you say to somebody that's starting out in business for the first time? Oh god.

29:27 SPEAKER_00: What would I say? I'd get I'd say get a coach as soon as you can. Yeah, definitely. You know, I think if you're gonna be sick, yeah.

29:38 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely. And don't listen to anybody that's never had their own business. I know. Why do people do that? I used to do that.

29:47 SPEAKER_01: Ask friends and family about profit margins and a staff member that's not doing what they need to do, and they say, Oh, just get rid of them. You know, like it's not very easy.

29:58 SPEAKER_00: Unless somebody has walked a path similar, you know, then they just, you know, I like respectfully, I don't want your advice. Yeah. Because unless it's somebody that has lay awake worrying how they're gonna pay their VAT return, worrying about how they're gonna cover their team because someone's called in sick, worrying about where their next paycheck's coming from, you know, unless you've had a year or so of not been able to pay yourself because you've just started a business and every bit of money and energy goes into the the dream that may or may not happen.

30:39 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not gonna, I I don't want your opinion.

30:44 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and something that you just mentioned there, you don't pay yourself 12 months, two two years, yeah. Yeah, and it is managing the expectations of people that do go into business for the first time.

31:00 SPEAKER_00: You are not gonna earn you're not gonna earn anything close to okay-ish for probably three years. 100%.

31:07 SPEAKER_01: And and now as a franchise okay I'm so consciously aware of managing people's expectations because even though they've bought a system and a process, there's still costs attached to running all that back-end work.

31:24 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you'll be the lowest paid earner for ages, yeah, definitely. And also, you know, like you might it that might be that you're having to be the lowest paying earner also because you get some freedom back. So, for example, if you you know, when I had my salon, if I was working on the shop floor four days a week, we would be taking more money, yes, right? But I didn't want to be tied to the business, so I took myself off the shop floor and I lost the m the income that I was generating, right? That's a hard bill to swallow that on, isn't it?

32:00 SPEAKER_00: You know, but it's like it's it's that on it, you've got to be honest with it, like you know, it takes a long time before you can almost have have your cake and eat it.

32:08 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, it took me nearly 15 years before I had my cake, yeah. And then it was like, but how fast do I have to keep running to just keep this going all the time?

32:19 SPEAKER_00: And then it is again about going back to okay, so how long do I want to sustain this for? Yeah. Do do I want to keep sustaining it? Is the thing I've created gonna create me that freedom now? And if it's not, okay, how can I change it? Because like life is so fragile and short. Yes, like every day, week, month, year you spend on something that isn't aligning with your goals, you're just wasting time. Yeah, absolutely. You're just wasting time, and you know, and also I think it's like I am very spiritual, but it's those silent things you're manifesting.

33:00 SPEAKER_00: So, you know, your subconscious acts, only 5% of how we function day to day is a conscious act, 95% of it is subconscious, right? So those micro um messages that you're sending out day to day to the universe, whatever you believe in, manifesting, you know, like unless you're being really truly honest, you're not going to manifest what you want clearly. You know, like when you've prayed for something and then it comes up as something else, and you're like, oh fuck, you know, like you know, you're like, oh shit, I manifested wrong.

33:37 SPEAKER_00: It's because you're not being honest. Yes, it's because you're not being honest, because unless you're being so clear, so I just I came off my call today with my community and I was like, I've stopped journaling, right? So, with this slight change that's happening with me working more with my husband, um, because it's it's a legacy business for our kids. Um, the pools and landscaping, it's very scalable. So, is this our legacy business for our kids? Yeah, and it's like, okay, I haven't really journaled where I want this to go.

34:06 SPEAKER_00: I've got this thing in my head about what I want it to be and what we want it to be, but I'm not actively writing that down. So, actually, how do I know at this moment in time that everything I'm doing is aligned to those goals? So, actually, I'm making sure that the universe can hear me loud and clear, and I'm not gonna get waylaid by shiny things.

34:32 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which brings us nicely to where is your career right now, to where you want to take it. Because I know women that will listen to this podcast and think, I can relate to that, I can relate to that, I can relate to that. Where are you taking yours next, Carrie?

34:49 SPEAKER_00: Do you know what? I think it's for me. I mean, when I closed, ironically, we laugh about this now. So when I closed the salon and we were building the summer house, this is what I mean about manifestation, right? So when we closed, we built the summer house, and I said to my husband, who had his own shit going on, do you know what I mean? Like his own limiting beliefs. I mean, Christ like literally had to drag, I've dragged his corpse.

35:17 SPEAKER_00: The hardest project. Oh my god, I can relate. Honestly. Um, all women want is for their men just to get therapy, right? That's all women want. Um, and I said to him when we were building the summer house, like, because I begged him to do this with his it was, you know, his landscaping business. And he was just thinking about going into swimming pools, but he was like, Oh, you know, will it will it work? kind of thing. And um I said we he I begged him if we could do the business together, and he wasn't ready.

35:49 SPEAKER_00: So I was like, You have this set of skills, I have this set of skills, we'll work together, my world will be easier, blah blah blah. But he wasn't ready, and I don't think I was ready actually. I was furious with him for ages for not being ready, but I don't think he was ready, and also I didn't have the right skills at that point, I don't think, that I have now. And so I said to him, You wonder if this will be Orgy Paul's HQ, you know, some point. And he was like, Well, you never know. And almost over the last couple of years, every single step I've been taking has been leading me to us working more exclusively together and me helping him expand the business.

36:32 SPEAKER_00: So every so he'd start to get like more swimming pools come through, big, small, etc. So we'd create a new system and process, but everything I've learned over the last couple of years has now put us in in the position that, right, okay, now it's go time. But I had to go through the last three years of not knowing where I was, who I was, what my what I'm meant to be doing. I had to go through this like unshedding, yeah, to come back as okay, this was all meant to happen because of this.

37:05 SPEAKER_02: Yeah.

37:06 SPEAKER_00: You know, like it's like when people say, like, you are exactly on the path you're meant to be.

37:11 SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you know what as well, Carrie, as well, because you are a risk taker, it's it's allowing yourself to do the skill in order for you to get to where you want to go, even though you might not know where it's quite gonna go. Yeah, but when the skill happened, you're like, wow, that's just moved. Where has that even come from?

37:32 SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I didn't know I was gonna need that.

37:34 SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.

37:36 SPEAKER_00: You know, like it's like you sitting around the table at the builders' meetings, like you never know, like you don't know what the future holds for you right now, you know. But in three years' time, you might look back at like some hard points of like that felt like why didn't that work? Why didn't that launch go right? Well, the launch didn't go right because another launch was meant to go right, yes, and you had to like fine-tune your message and you had to go through all the shit and you had to cry because no one wanted you, you know, like all of that stuff, it's leading you towards like this bit, but and I and I do firmly believe the universe tests you as to how much you want something, yeah.

38:20 SPEAKER_00: Whether you've got the grit to hold in there and see it through, yeah, because the easiest thing that I could have done over the last three years would have been get a job, yeah. That would have been the easiest thing to do, you know, but I was absolutely I've refused to do it because I'm like, there is something behind this, and I look at birth charts quite a lot when I'm working with with women, so like I look at a lot of like your your birth chart placements, and some of the things in there will never make sense at the time, and then as you're leading up to it, you're like, there's there it is, yeah, and it's it's so interesting because actually, like where I've got such strong placements in my eighth house, right?

39:05 SPEAKER_00: Which is house of um partnerships from fed fed shared finances. Wow, and so all of it is like okay, this was this was meant to go full circle, I just didn't know it at the time, it just didn't make sense, and I think it's about holding on to the things that don't make sense, yeah, and as well, just looking at you then, if for any visual sweat anyone hearing this, you just light up with that knowledge.

39:32 SPEAKER_01: Oh you really do, and you can see the the passion in people, yeah, and how much time they've actually put into something to get to this stage, absolutely, um, which it's like die a thousand deaths, isn't it?

39:50 SPEAKER_01: And then try and pick yourself back up again, you're like oh Carrie. Do you know what? It's been absolutely wonderful talking to you, and we are literally running out of time. But for anybody that is listening to this, watching this, how would they be able to contact you? And what is your one message that you want to take that you want the audience to take away from today?

40:17 SPEAKER_00: So follow me on my social media, which is just Carrie Orgy. Um my website is um carryorgy.com and it's got all the ways you can work with me on there. And I think the last message would be that wherever you are at, and however messy the middle feels, that you are you will always find the path that you're meant to take if you just take the time to get to know yourself and have a little faith in everything you've been through so far leading you to where you're meant to be.

41:01 SPEAKER_01: Oh, Carrie, that's absolutely beautiful. And you are a woman with my heart. Oh, yeah. It sounds like we've gone through the same middle messy stuff to get us to where we are today. So thank you so much for your time. Thank you, bad. And I know this will resonate with so many of my listeners. So thank you so much, Carrie, and I do hope we'll pass across again soon. See you later, Carrie. Bye.